A podcast with Marcus Hardtke who graduated in environmental law before moving from his native Germany to Southeast Asia where he has earned a no-nonsense reputation when dealing with illegal trading in wildlife and timber more than 25 years ago.

He spoke with The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt about the realities of saving pristine wilderness areas from logging and how to trap traders of endangered species, like the pangolin, which Beijing has banned from use in traditional Chinese medicine.

To listen click here.